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Law school satisfaction survey — rate your GDL/LPC/BPTC

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How good is your postgraduate legal training?

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Legal Cheek is inviting law students to take a break from revision hell to rate their experiences of the Graduate Diploma in Law (GDL), the Legal Practice Course (LPC) and Bar Professional Training Course (BPTC).

The survey is open to current students of each of these courses.

Anecdotally, the GDL, LPC and BPTC have very mixed reputations — with some students lapping up the postgraduate law training experience and others feeling short-changed. But to date no one has attempted to bring these views together.

The survey below takes two minutes to complete, is completely anonymous and will help us find out which law schools have the happiest — and saddest — students.

Take the survey below, or if you are reading this article on a phone you can take it here.

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24 Comments

Anonymous

Yeah that’s where I stopped as well.

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Anonymous

I posted that comment in response to another comment, which has now been deleted. Now I look like a crazy person talking to myself.

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Anonymous

Yeah… thanks for deleting that comment Alex. I’ll try again…

There’s no way you’re having my law school email address.

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Anonymous

I did my LPC just last year. Frustrated I couldn’t give my own feedback!

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Anonymous

The issue with this survey is that it doesn’t allow responses that indicate a high level of variance in quality. In my experience as a GDL student at BPP (London), I have found that, for instance, the teaching on con&ad (lectures and tutorials) has been excellent, but my contract tutor is quite possibly the worst teacher I have ever come across. I’m essentially teaching myself the entire course now as I’m trying to revise, and have had to discard all of my confused notes filled with her ramblings. Not quite sure how to explain that in a sliding scale survey!

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Incognito

I don’t suppose her initials are AO are they? I did the BPP GDL in 2008-09, and we had to put in a formal complaint regarding the quality of our contract tutor. I still have a copy of it – I’d be disappointed in BPP if she hasn’t either improved, or been replaced.

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Anonymous

Don’t go to Law school if it isn’t being sponsored! Law schools (BPP) just want your money and dont care about anything else! Take my word for it!

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ULoL insider

Hear hear, it’s exactly like this.

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Anonymous

Disagree completely . Self funded the LPC at BPP Holborn got a couple of TC offers ( repaying my LPC fees retrospectively ) commencing immediately after I finished the course . Don’t listen to the critics .

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Anonymous

I also got an offer mid-LPC. I was doing alright for interviews before I self-funded though. I would advise anyone, before taking the risk of self-funding the LPC, to get an honest and objective evaluation from someone about their chances.

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Anonymous

Same here 4 City firm vac scheme offers and 2 TC offers mid LPC (BPP) Great careers department .

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Bumblebee

It’s great that you have secured a TC mid-LPC. I must admit that I’m not particularly au fait with the TC market. However, as regards the BPTC and pupillage, the first commenter is spot on. The law schools really do only care for your money, and they are quite happy to fill their places with students whom they know full well will never secure pupillage. Furthermore, the BPTC does not make those students any more employable or attractive to chambers.

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Anonymous

Yes think it’s different for the law firms they were specifically looking for candidates who had completed /were studying for the LPC who could begin a TC almost immediately as they had underestimated their trainee requirements

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Anonymous

Fair enough but I think you’re one of the few. The amount of students I encountered that self funded and were struggling with trying to gain TCs definitely outnumbered people like you. Congratulations nonetheless

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Anonymous

Quite a few of my LPC cohort were offered a mid course TC as well at American and SC firms so it’s defo achievable .

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NNTrainee

My tutor for business @ the uni of law could barely speak English and admitted they didn’t have the required knowledge to teach aspects of the course. A student with a masters in the relevant area had to teach us those areas.
Eventually the teacher was replaced after 5 weeks, despite them having been replaced for other classes after 1 week. No apology ever issued.

Something like this happens EVERY WEEK at the uni of law. Wrong exam on the table, wrong content in the exam, no access to legal databases during exams, lectures and workshops which consist of reading the textbook aloud. Lectures and workshops which are just repeats of workshops and lectures which consisted of reading the textbook aloud.

I cannot overstate the appalling provision of teaching services. Unbelievable acts of incompetence, often significantly affecting one’s performance in the course, happen on a weekly basis.

I have honestly never experienced any professional conduct worse than this, and I’ve spent 100 hours on the phone to Vodafone in a two week period in which they stole money from me.

And this is without even evaluating the course itself, which seems a complete waste of time. I took away more from a 2 week vac scheme than I have learned on this entire course, with the exception of conduct points, which we look at very briefly.

The course is divided into three terms:
1) “knowledge” of core area
2) “skills” in core areas
3) electives

During term 1 we look at both knowledge AND skills. Having the knowledge to read a Land Reg form is the same as having that skill, the exercises in class are exactly the same in each course.

Term 2 involves no work that isn’t duplication of term 1.

Term 3 seems irrelevant on a compulsory course….

Without wishing to appear too arrogant, we are also commonly faced with teachers and textbooks with an understanding of law far below that which is expected on an LLB.

I am fortunate in having funding from a firm. Anyone paying out of their own pocket is being robbed by the regulators.

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NNTrainee

Apologies for the general tone and any grammar mistakes – comment was rushed.

tl;dr
– appalling incompetence in provision of services (no idea how the money charged is being spent)
– useless course which could be condensed into 1 or 2 months.

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Anonymous

My experiences at Moorgate haven’t been as bad as yours. The teaching has generally been good. All the lecturers have been at least competant. Lectures have by and large involved summarising the textbook, which has been frustrating, but workshops do help me to understand the tricky content.

I 100% agree with you about the structure. Knowledge and skills totally overlap, and the skills classes don’t have enough content to justify a whole term. I would add that the electives seem rushed. They’re trying to teach the knowledge and skills for a whole new practice area in one term. Some better balancing would improve the course a lot.

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NNTrainee

Accounts from Moorgate have generally been more positive.
My teachers have been generally fine and we often find ourselves asking – “why are they here?”

It’s the admin, the student services team, the assessments team, who have really ruined the course, with the exception of that one teacher I have already mentioned.
I have heard horror stories from Bristol as well.

I hear from my cohorts that the standard for the LLB and GDL here is just as poor. Apparently they went “paperless” last year, giving each student an ipad instead of textbooks. Unfortunately, for contract law, the textbook was not made available on the ipad until too close to the exam.

I do believe that the LPC representatives from all the Uni of Law centres have got together and are writing to the head of the course and potentially whoever the relevant ombudsman is.

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Anonymous

I’d doing the GDL at Moorgate and I agree with this comment.

My teachers have been very good (one exception), but the course was ruined by the awful admin departments. Only finance is always on the case …

I’ve got no other law school to compare it with. But if I had to choose a place for the GDL again, I’d go back to a proper university.

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Anonymous

I am currently undertaking the lpc at UOL and I agree with you 100%, the teaching is way below par. Steer away from UOL.

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Anonymous

Nice try, Alex.

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Incognito

>”Nice try, Alex.”

What is this comment referring to?

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Anonymous

Probably the attempt to get thousands of law students emails?

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