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Edinburgh Uni law students want to ban non-law undergrads from using their newly-refurbished library

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Frustration over lack of seating

📷 Edinbrugh University’s recently refurbished law library (credit: Martin Hogg)

A group of law students at the University of Edinburgh have launched an ambitious campaign, which if successful, would see their non-law studying peers banned from using their newly-renovated library.

With another hectic exam season fast-approaching, law students at the Scottish Russell Group university have written to Professor Martin Hogg, the head of the School of Law, in order to express their “frustration” at the apparent lack of seating in the law library. This is on account of students from other schools taking over the study space, which recently benefited from a multi-million-pound five-year renovation project.

The letter, seen by student website The Tab, suggests imposing “a restriction on access to non-law students during peak hours”, which appear to be from 9pm to 4pm, Monday to Friday. The seatless students, in true lawyer fashion, go on to argue that their proposed limitation on non-law students is no more “prohibitive” than those already in place at other faculties.

Confirming he’d seen the letter, Hogg told Legal Cheek: “[T]he matter will be raised and discussed at a meeting of the law school this week. I am hopeful that we will be able satisfactorily to address the concerns raised by the student body.”

Elsewhere, the letter explains, law students require frequent access to legal texts, which can only be found in the law library, and that if that weren’t the case, the seating issue would perhaps be “tolerable”.

On why they can’t simply borrow the books and work elsewhere, the students claim this is “desperately inconvenient”, given that this requires them to travel back and forth between the law school, where the vast majority of their lectures take place, and the university’s main library.

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77 Comments

Anonymous

Urgh. I remember this twaddle when they had their old library. Giving them a new library was only going to make it worse. Law students at Edinburgh are about the cliquiest gang of busybodies you are ever likely to come across on God’s green earth.

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Anonymous

“On why they can’t simply borrow the books and work elsewhere, the students claim this is “desperately inconvenient”, given that this requires them to travel back and forth between the law school, where the vast majority of their lectures take place, and the university’s main library.”

According to Google maps, the distance from Old College (where the Law School is based) to the Main Library in George Square is 480 meters. It’s a six minute walk. Lazy sods.

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Anonymous

Given that many essential texts only allow 3hr checkouts and it’s often necessary to quickly reference supplementary materials, that does pretty significantly interrupt work.

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Anonymous

A supposedly smart discipline never seems to understand that it is not only law students who make use legal texts.

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Anonymous

They need to get a grip. It’s nice to be able to go and use other subjects’ libraries and facilities, there’s no need to be so exclusive.

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JDP

That’s what I tell my trainees every six months.

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Anonymous

Nobody needs a Sociology group meeting to discuss their presentation on a big table in the middle of the law library. Some subjects require more use of physical texts and analysis than others – I wouldn’t go and sit in a biology lab and light a bunsen burner to read Dicey.

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Anonymous

If there are indeed “even more prohibitive restrictions already put in place by other schools over their designated study spaces on campus”, then this seems reasonable and fair. If students of other faculties have their own libraries/areas with restricted access for other students, why shouldn’t law students benefit from this kind of policy too? The university should either allow this policy in all of its faculties, or none of them.

I know the pain and waste of time of wandering back and forth between libraries for this very reason, and I’d love it if my own university imposed a similar policy.

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Anonymous

Typical law student sense of importance.

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Anonymous

And you read what?

I suppose you’re on the LC website looking at articles which, had you worked harder, would have had some relevance to your future career.

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Anonymous

Top bantz, bruv.

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Anonymous

Worm? Are you referring to your little bedtime friend?

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Anonymous

LOL!

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Anonymous

His worm does even lift.

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Anonymous

^this!

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Anonymous

Just seen this mini thread. Lolbags.

Looks like comment by Anon @6:00pm has just proven the point made by Anon @4:47pm by demonstrating his/her’s intellectual ability is limited to bad mum jokes.

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Anonymous

Ahahahaha! Smashed it!

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Anonymous

Yes, I bet it’s really huge… I bet it looks exquisite in the eyes of the nice online chat lady who, over the years, you have formed a deep and meaningful relationship with.

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Anonymous

Bless, you must be one of those students that still thinks law is a good profession to enter.

20 years ago it was, now there is no money in it.

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Anonymous

I’m doing ok thanks. Perhaps you should change firm?

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Anonymous

The real question is, why would students of other subjects want to go and be surrounded by law students?

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Anonymous

Really important for all those law students at Edinburgh to have the best environment in which to study, given they will be setting the legal world ablaze when they graduate.

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Anonymous

They’ll be setting the “crofter law” community alight in years to come.

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Anonymous

Hi Andrew.

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Billy no mates

The problem at my university is …. none of the silent study areas … are silent.

And … when you politely ask them to keep the noise down because you have an exam fast approaching you are met with abuse.

My grades suffer because of these imbeciles. There’s signs everywhere saying ‘ silent study – no discussions ‘

Why they can’t duck off to the other 8 levels in our building is beyond me.

Any ideas ? I’m desperate and exams are fast approaching. ☹

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Anonymous

Litigate?

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Anonymous

Man up and twat them

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Anonymous

My uni had an anonymous reporting function when the library was staffed.

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Billy no mates

I have tried to confront the morons…and I stopped once a person then called all her friends and had loud gaggle on purpose… they’re quite horrible.

There is anonymous reporting here too, but it does nothing. Last time the security guard said it’s best to pick my stuff and move . ( only 1 floor silent and it’s not very big )

What I find completely strange when you ask nicely they completely ignore you or get angry like they’re completing ducking alien to quite frankly, clear signs.

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Anonymous

Start your own library, and only allow yourself in.

Failing that, litigate.

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Billy no mates

Ha! That is funny, marry me.

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Anonymous

If ur at Edinburgh go to ECA library, it’s completely silent, only 2 floors but usually desk space

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Billy no mates

I’m in Central London … all three local campuses… the silent area is not silent 😢

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Anonymous

Brilliant story about lawyers wanting to discriminate against others. Wonder where they had to work when their library was being refurbished…

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Anonymous

in the… other law library

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Anonymous

Oh the good old discrimination card… Why not let students from a different university use the library too? Idiot.

Perhaps they just want the ability to work close to their materials and in an environment where others which share it are doing similar work.

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Anonymous

“On why they can’t simply borrow the books and work elsewhere, the students claim this is “desperately inconvenient”, given that this requires them to travel back and forth between the law school, where the vast majority of their lectures take place, and the university’s main library.”

Old College, where the Law School is based, is 480 meters from the Main Library at George Square. It’s a six minute walk. You could do with the exercise, lads.

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CITY LAWYER (£135k p.a.)

Such a grim fate to study the Scots Law LLB in Edinburgh, slave away for 4 years and then be starting on £18k as a law graduate lololol

the Scots are such mugs

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Anonymous

Yeh and Edinburgh is spenny as, your dolla goes no where unless it’s City whack

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Anonymous

But that is all they are worth. An Edinburgh law student is by definition second rate and can therefore only realistically hope to practise in the legal backwater which is Scotland.

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Anonymous

By your definition everywhere bar London or New York is a legal backwater no doubt.

Fair enough, nowhere else matches those places. Everywhere else is by that definition ‘second rate’.

Edinburgh is however the capital of a jurisdiction. Granted a jurisdiction covering 5.4 million people only, but a jurisdiction nonetheless. And I can think of worse fates than having a charming house in Morningside, kinder hours, and a walk to work through one of the world’s most architecturally pleasing cities.

If you really, really like financial services then although of course it is dwarfed by London it is clearly present in Edinburgh. Though not everybody’s idea of being a lawyer revolves around assisting the hoarders of capital move their money about.

I’d accept any criticisms of the likes of Bristol or Manchester just being insignificant provincial backwaters, but that doesn’t apply to Edinburgh – unlike regional English cities the London monster doesn’t suck the life away from it.

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Anonymous

London is full of Scots lawyers.

Source: am one

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Jack Robinson

Well worded response ‘Anonymous’, I couldn’t agree more. The UK is one of the best and most important countries in the world, and Edinburgh is by far one of its best cities – to call Edinburgh a ‘backwater’ just screams of excessive privilege. Now, I’m a kiwi and thus only British in a genetic sense (and hopefully through mid-life acquired citizenship), but I do think that Brits need a good kick up the ass if this level of arrogance is widespread. It’s pretty shocking actually, and a pretty sad worldview. Explains a lot, though.

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Anonymous

True. People find their level. Any decent Scottish lawyer qualifies in England and practises there. The talentless rump who stay behind are there because they simply are not good enough. Scotland really is a professional backwater.

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Anonymous

What if I don’t want to work 12-16+ hours a day? What if I don’t want my soul to slowly die by slaving away in the City?

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Anonymous

You have no choice lol. Gonna have to work City hours even come close to affording a house in most northern cities anyway – they don’t sell for a packet of crisps any more. Edinburgh / Manchester / Birmingham are losers games, and it pains me to say that.

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Anonymous

Hear hear. You’d be an utter mug to think you’re somehow gaming the system by moving to a cesspit like Birmingham and living it up. Not on £40k NQ you’re not.

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Anonymous

you poor naive soul: 4 years leaving without any debt and having the option of a 1 year conversion if you want to practice in London is a good deal. Also check edi’s rankings for law schools – it’s pretty high.

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Anonymous

Rofl ok mate, want some vinager with that chip on you’re shoulder ?

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Anonymous

It’s sauce in Edinburgh, not vinegar, you idiot.

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Anonymous

Savage burn

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Anonymous

don’t even need to dual qualify, can just sign off as a scots qualified lawyer

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Sothere

Graduating debt free, starting on a 28k salary which will rise to 40k on qualification. That’s more than any of my friends are earning at this age – I’m pretty alright with that as an Edi law graduate to be honest. I am really happy living in Scotland.

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Anonymous

You obviously are aware of your intellectual and professional limitations and that is a very important thing in life.

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Anonymous

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to stay and make a life in the area where you are from.

The metropolitan lifestyle of London is not for everyone, high achiever or not.

Not everyone wants or needs to become a big swinging dick.

The only exception would be if you were from somewhere like the Outer Hebrides, Whitehaven or Hull or somewhere – then there’s a bit more of an onus on you to move out. Sadly.

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Anonymous

Nothing wrong at all. Recognising your intellectual and professional limitations is very important.

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Anonymous

I don’t see the thrill of working 15 hour days, going home exhausted and being a crappy absent parent.

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Anonymous

£135k to suck partners’ ass until 3am and be an absent parent? K den.

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Anonymous

LOL

Lawyers

Don’t become one kids

It rots your soul

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Anonymous

I will never forget counsel getting extremely upset they had to wait in a security line at the entrance to a *regional* Crown Court and loudly proclaiming in front of everyone “Why anyone becomes a Barrister in these times is beyond me, it’s a bloody sh*t show” further expletive riddled muttering followed…

Still, I won’t leave until the lunchtime drinking culture gets wiped out.

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Anonymous

Your best bet for survival as a normal, young person at the Bar is just to make sure you don’t go to a stuffy, old fashioned sets. Avoid the sets stuffed full of middle aged men with balding pates and Tory sounding names.

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Anonymous

And that look on their profile picture – which ranges from self-satisfied wealthy to bumbling toff. You can always tell though.

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Anonymous

No deal

No deal

No deal

Cha cha cha

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Anonymous

All the more reason to move to Edinburgh in that scenario then, and await a profitable practice in a future EU Member State.

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Anonymous

You are my favourite commenter. Keep it up. GIRFUY FTW!

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Anonymous

LLL

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N

These were commonly referred to as snails in my time …. students not actually in law school ….

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Anonymous

And here was me thinking it was because they shat through their mouths.

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Anonymous

Most of the stories on this dreary website are about students, or people trying to make partner, or firms’ status rising or falling. Very little of it is about the actual business of doing the job of a lawyer. Because the actual business of doing the job of a lawyer is fucking shit.

You there. Yes you sir! The ambitious 20 year-old who desperately wants to make your lower-middle-class parents proud. Who wants a fitter girlfriend than you’re really entitled to. Who thinks he’s a little bit clever and has somehow convinced himself he needs something “intellectually challenging”. Who hopes to make the arseholes jealous at the school reunion. Shape up pal. Avoid the law.

Seriously. It’s shit. You hope I’m wrong. I’m not wrong.

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Anonymous

Preach

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Anonymous

Too late mate. I start my TC in September. 22k in a region because I couldn’t get one in London.

At least my mother is proud, lol.

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Anonymous

Top

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librarian

you lot are fucking horrible…

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Jack Robinson

And depressing. Idk, the UK is a wonderful country and Edinburgh is a great city – I for one am very excited to go there 😀 I AM from New Zealand, though, so I suppose you’d all view my standards as…. sub-par…

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Anonymous

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/helloxiu.wordpress.com/2006/04/29/snails-act/amp/

Looks like the slugs are at it again, those poor snails…lol

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Anonymous

And depressing. Idk, the UK is a wonderful country and Edinburgh is a great city – I for one am very excited to go there 😀 I AM from New Zealand, though, so I suppose you’d all view my standards as…. sub-par…

(0)(0)

Jack Robinson

sorry, computer error = duplicate comments. Don’t go to China kids!

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