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Law third most complained about course by students

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But business students have the most grumbles

Law students made the third most complaints about their course last year, new stats have revealed.

One hundred and fifty-nine students studying the discipline submitted an official complaint to the Office of the Independent Adjudicator (OIA) — an independent university watchdog — according to a new report.

The free student service reviews complaints about higher education providers in England and Wales on matters including accommodation, bullying and harassment, discrimination and plagiarism. Students with grievances as such can reach out to the Office once they have exhausted their university’s internal procedures.

The students with the most quibbles, however, are business and administrative students with 247 submitting a complaint to the OIA last year. Subjects allied to medicine came second with 237 students filing complaints.

Elsewhere, engineering and tech students fired off 123 complaints, art and design (117), psychology (98), social studies (91), computer science (85) and biological studies (85). Rounding off the top ten with the least complaints of any subject area were economics and politics students with a paltry 74 complaints.

Table via the Office of the Independent Adjudicator

The ombudsman received more complaints last year than at any time since 2014, at almost 2,000, compared with 1,635 in the previous year. Over half of the gripes related to “academic status” such as being awarded an “unfair” degree classification or to a student’s marks for assessment. Other student groans were linked to “service issues” such as facilities, the quality of teaching or lack of supervision.

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34 Comments

THICC

Think of the DICKSON POON

Kronos

Repeating the same, tired joke is neither funny nor interesting.

Yours,
Kronos and the rest of the Greenberg Glusker LLP top, top marketing team

Anonymous

Please take your own advice mate.

Yours,
Everyone else.

CMS 4th Seat Trainee

Is Greenberg Glusker LLP a top firm and will they hire September 2019 NQs?

Anonymous

No and no.

Billy no mates

My only complaint about university is ignorant morons in the silent library who constantly talk… it’s costing me my grades.

Anonymous

Cracking resilience there lad, you defo sound ready for city law

Billy 100 mates

It’s not as bad as the people who have so much gas problems in the library. I’m sure you’re one of them.

Anonymous

Don’t self fund the LPC mate – for your own sake

THICC

DICKSON POON

I LYKE IT

DICKSON IN MY POON

Anonymous

The Oxford Law course is rigorous but is otherwise awful. Run by dinosaurs who refuse to change, administration is shocking, teaching can be (and often is) really substandard.

There’s this weird attitude from some academics where we ought to feel gratitude towards them for having the sincere generosity to take time out of their research to bother to teach us, not like we don’t pay their wages or anything.

Copious (meaningless) deadlines, treated like a child, and no regard for mental health whatsoever.

Oh and you get two optional subjects in third year but that’s it.

Anonymous

#humblebrag that you went to Oxford, very subtle

Anonymous

Jealousy doesn’t suit you, dear.

Anonymous

I went to Cambridge, so: no, I’m not jealous.

Anonymous

#humblebrag that you went to Cambridge, very subtle

Anonymous

Yes, it was hypocritical of me (which is why I didn’t say so in my first post).

Anonymous

Glad you owned up. Apology accepted. I wish other commenters here would share that humility when caught out like you were.

anonymous

not really a humble brag if she’s talking about how shit the course at Oxford is. Oxford is known for being like this. You don’t need to attend their course to know this issue

kareeem

Anybodi kno wats the pay at top firm Spb ?!

waleed

Eyy reem blud. My man at spb like

Anonymous

This really is basement tier patter

Anonymous

Dickson poon

Lol

Anon

Chiming in despite the horrendous banter above nearly forcing an internet break on me.

Note: the above statistics are skewed – more people study business than law. It would be ideal to have some idea of the proportion, which means the number of complaints per student studying law. Scientists and other people who collect and present data have been using this sensible method for years.

Anyway, law as an undergraduate subject is due a change. The archaic methods of assessment and delivery are quite substandard as compared to other courses. An entire year’s worth of work can be undone within two or three hours and only two or three essays. This doesn’t make sense. It isn’t how the world works. Change it, make it more engaging, assess it in a modular fashion, give more than a negligible percentage of people a first – and then people might stop complaining.

Anonymous

Would also have been interesting (well a bit) to know what percentage of complaints were upheld. Do law students just complain more about things or do they actually have more to complain about than other students?

Archibald Pomp O'City

“An entire year’s worth of work can be undone within two or three hours and only two or three essays. This doesn’t make sense. It isn’t how the world works.”

The fuck it “isn’t how the world works”. What the devil are you talking about? Three hours of bad work from a solicitor can ruin a client’s life. So cut that crap about exams being fickle and how they should be made more easy. If they can’t deliver the goods in three hours having had three years to prepare how will they be able to do it on the fly?

Anonymous

As a current second year, I can’t help but find the teaching of law to be rather archaic. Only one exam per module, a lack of practical skills development (for instance mooting is not part of the course even though it’s really useful), and a focus on black letter law which is uninteresting and doesn’t really develop your understanding of why the law is the way it is, what it’s flaws are, what can be done to reform it etc. Incorporating practical skills training into teaching, an increase in coursework over exams, and teaching the policy behind the law along with the law itself could do wonders

Anonymous

What actual law do you think you’d learn by knocking up the kind of transaction document which makes up most City lawyers’ output?

You could learn how to be massively tedious about numbering or even how to splice liability 20 different ways, but it’s hardly academically challenging.

Anonymous

You could not be more wrong.

The damage done to legal scholarship in the last fifty years has been the fungal growth of ‘critical legal study’, aka waffly shit.

If you can’t find intellectual challenge in black letter law you aren’t being taught it rigorously enough. The policy behind the law is part of a proper study of black letter law.

Mooting, volunteering and other practical activities are always there if you want to do them.

As for coursework over exams, forget it. If you cannot write intelligently about law in an exam by reference to statutes and cases from your own knowledge you shouldn’t be studying law.

Anonymous

DICKS

ON

POON

SCHOOL OF LAW

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Anonymous

We all know the type.

That person who goes full on Harvey Spectre because they think that will be a discussion point in TC interviews.

anon

dicks pon d spoon

Anonymous

I can understand why business students complain: “why are you not telling me how to be the next Steve Jobs”/ “I studied your course, set up a business and it did not work – it must be your course that was bad”.

Anonymagic

The actual difficulty of law as a subject is vastly overestimated. Conceded that it is a tough and “proper” subject to study, it is, in my view, nowhere near as hard as people make it out to be.

In order to do well in law exams it is sufficient to study and revise in a “smart” way – this is less true for scientific subjects. The law of diminishing returns kicks in rather early when studying for this subject.

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