Training contract seekers reveal their biggest law firm ‘red flags’

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On Instagram, Legal Cheek recently posed a question to its nearly 100k followers: what gives you the ‘ick’ when it comes to law firms? While landing a training contract can seem like an elusive goal, we were eager to uncover what factors might deter aspiring lawyers from applying to particular outfits. A significant portion of followers responded to our call-to-action, sharing their major ‘red flags’…

It’s evident from our law student followers that diversity within training cohorts holds significant importance. However, a major concern arises when this diversity fails to translate into representation further up the ladder.

“[Law firms] claiming they are ‘extremely diverse’ but not seeing this translating to their senior management,” one Insta user said. “It’s giving a ‘glass ceiling’ for their more junior employees who are either woman, from an ethnic minority etc.”

“Talking about DEI in public but not actually having diversity and inclusion initiatives or groups internally…” another TC hunter added.

A big gripe about diversity also extended to law firm recruitment events. One comment which complained about firms doing “tailored events … to a specific set of Russell Groups/Oxbridge instead of opening it up to all unis” attracted over 200 likes.

Other lawyer hopefuls took to the comments to criticise the application process at some firms. It’s no secret that TC applications are often lengthy and time consuming, but certain aspects of the process can apparently be a big red flag for some students.

“Application forms that take four hours to fill, responses are unable to be saved on each page, so you can only save when you finish the whole application,” one student complained.

Another griped about “law firms putting you through their tests AFTER you spend hours crafting an application”. Continuing, the said “if all it takes for a rejection is a random CAPP score, make us take the test first so that we don’t waste our time with filling out a whole application form!”

Many others took to the comments to complain about law firms asking for GCSE grades in applications because this “shows [that] they are cookie cutters and progress is near impossible”.

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And it’s not just TC applications either. Our followers also criticised the sometimes convoluted process for applying for shorter work experience opportunities:

“[There are] very complicated application forms especially for little programs,” one student told us. “Like why are there five application questions and a Watson Glaser test to take for just a three hour first-year insight day event?? Kmt [kiss my teeth]. You can only imagine what the TC application will be like.”

Other things that our readers (red) flagged were poor work/life balance, low retention rates and high turnover of lawyers. With some of these factors tending to be par for the course in the legal industry, one user joked that her biggest red flag is “[t]he fact it is a law firm”!

When it comes to law firm perks, one student highlighted that adding “an office fruit basket” to the list of benefits is a huge ick. Ironically, some commenters noted that sometime too many free amenities can also be a red flag.

“Firms that have sleeping pods, breakfast bars, gyms etc. those are the ones who provide everything so you have no reason to go home 😂,” one student warned.

The late working hours of many firms also featured heavily in the replies. Having a culture of being “proud” of long working hours, and trainees “not being able to say no” were big turn-offs for these Insta commenters.

“… [C]heck out how the offices look at night. Are the lights blazing away late into the evening or during the small hours of the morning? This is a sure sign that employees are working ridiculous hours and junior members of the professional staff will be taking the brunt of that.”

What would put you off applying to a law firm? Let us know in the comments below? 🚩👇

23 Comments

Kirkland NQ

For me was any firm not paying enough on qualification to allow me to buy an Italian super car.

Jean

Bunch of snowflakes. Wake up.

Dr Doom

GB News is that way.

Just Another TC Holder

My biggest gripe has to be the poor management of seats and allocation of work to TC holders, as well as the disassociation of management and HR with TC holders.

but then again I am not in a traditional law firm… but I was promised a lot and it has been underwhelming, to say the least.

Emplyment Contract Holder

Is TC Holder just another term for trainee?

Dr Doom

To bastardise the classic cliché, the legal industry is an arse.

Working as a paralegal for years will do the grand sum of sweet FA in earning any kind of meaningful career (but at least you have “experience”! Lol). Unfortunately, for every person that realises this and exits for a career that pays twice as much for half the work, there are 10 more deluded that scrum for the handful of undervalued jobs. And thus the monster sustains itself.

Archibald O'Pomposity

THEMSELF, please.

Not a white man called Steven

When 90% of the partners are white men called Steven.

Fishy business

A big red flag is how they treat their paralegals and support staff. Paralegals and support staff are generally viewed as more replaceable than lawyers – so how they treat them is an indication of how the firm will treat you as a lawyer if you fall out of favour and start to become replaceable..

Archibald O'Pomposity

Like an aspiring lawyer will be able to ascertain this. You daft sod.

Fishy business

How rude. Did they train the manners out of you or was this a natural occurrence?

Vetting a firm is an ongoing process. Sure you look for signs at the beginning but you see more as you work for the firm. See anything you don’t like? It can be a big factor to leave.

Archibald O'Pomposity

It happened naturally. Some people are just like that.

SourLemon

Yes, but also no. I’ve seen quite a few places where paralegals and support staff are valued more than the lawyers themselves! Any time you hear “admin/support staff are gods and untouchables” – run away fast.

TC Hunter

Law firms that use actors in their videos when going through the training contract process.

So you really can’t produce even one actual lawyer from your firm to promote the company 👀

Also seconding the diversity thing! I’ve seen firms based in big major cities (think London, Birmingham and Nottingham), with long spiels about diversity on their website. Then you look at their team and there are literally maybe two or three token poc junior lawyers. In the whole firm.

Kirkland 10pqe with a fleet of lambos

My biggest ick would be firms which have clients who ARENT major private equity houses. Like what are you doing? Didnt realise i was being hired by a high street firm!

Flying fish

These law firms are assessing you to see if you’re worth them investing 20k+ in SQE fees and grants, 100k+ in trainee pay in 2 years, and whatever NQ salary they offer.

For this ridiculous level of money, I’d think they are more than entitled to make their application forms as long as they wish. If you can’t save responses on each page then do it in a word document and copy and paste it. Come on… recognise that these firms are offering you a ticket into the top 5% of British earners and put some effort in.

TC applications are absolutely a slog, yes, but they’re designed in part to filter out people who can’t work in an intense industry. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to work in City law, but if you do, then…buckle up and put the time in, because if you don’t, someone else will.

I’d argue making insight scheme (remember, these often fast-track you to vac schemes) and TC applications so long is a way for graduate recruiters to save themselves time and only have to assess the applications of people interested enough in the firm to spend substantial time on it. Yes, it’s a bit cynical, but put yourself in their position and think about how you might try to get application numbers down to a reasonable level so that you can actually give each application the time of day.

That’s my 2 cents, would be interested in hearing other opinions.

Disillusioned law student

The thing is the vast majority of other grad schemes (including MANY city jobs) do not require the sheer level of time investment required just to pass the first stage.

Also I’ve never really understood the argument of the money and time investment that the firm makes because its not like the firm dosnt need employees and is doing you a favour. Law firms need to hire trainees for a reason and if they choose to pay so much then that’s on them.

Archibald O'Pomposity

Your comment is a mixture of whataboutery and naivety and suggests that you are perhaps not mature enough to succeed in either the recruitment process or the role. You are also in something of a logical muddle which further bodes poorly for your preferred career. You seem to imply that there ought to be an inverse relationship between a firm’s need for its future lawyers and care it ought to take when choosing who to invest in.

Sociallyaware

I know I shouldn’t say this but anytime I see the Rare Recruitment tool I just think the firm is using it to filter out socially mobile talent. I got a first and went to a bad school, never seems to workout for me when I’m honest. Sorry but it had to be said.

Wannabe lawyer

I’m 43 and want to change a career after being in IT for many years. I invested so much of myself (and my own money) in studying, finished SQEs too, and guess what? There is absolutely no way I can enter this profession not only because TC application form still asks for GCSE results but also because overall the barriers to entry are impossible to break. I know what I’m talking about, and that’s a shame really because there is talent out there which firms are missing out.

SourLemon

Trust me, you’re better off branching out into some other area of IT than switching to law at that age. You really need to start as a youngster in this profession to survive your first 5-7 years + the 2 for TC. The chances of you finding a firm that will respect your family life are slim, the mantra 99% of the firms have is “recruit young so you can wring them out before they’re 40”.

Archibald O'Pomposity

These law firms are assessing you to see if you’re worth them investing 20k+ in SQE fees and grants, 100k+ in trainee pay in 2 years, and whatever NQ salary they offer.

For this ridiculous level of money, I’d think they are more than entitled to make their application forms as long as they wish. If you can’t save responses on each page then do it in a word document and copy and paste it. Come on… recognise that these firms are offering you a ticket into the top 5% of British earners and put some effort in.

TC applications are absolutely a slog, yes, but they’re designed in part to filter out people who can’t work in an intense industry. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to work in City law, but if you do, then…buckle up and put the time in, because if you don’t, someone else will.

I’d argue making insight scheme (remember, these often fast-track you to vac schemes) and TC applications so long is a way for graduate recruiters to save themselves time and only have to assess the applications of people interested enough in the firm to spend substantial time on it. Yes, it’s a bit cynical, but put yourself in their position and think about how you might try to get application numbers down to a reasonable level so that you can actually give each application the time of day.

That’s my 2 cents, would be interested in hearing other opinions.

Aspired

Hello Flying Fish. Are you using two profile names to start an argument here? You forgot to switch back.

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